I have a particular fondness for little boys, especially fictional ones. Their humor, their antics, the good hearts buried beneath a sea of orneriness. I love it when my dad waxes nostalgic about all the things he did as one. I enjoy reading about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn because Mark Twain knew what it was like to be a little boy. He wrote what he knew. He was, most probably, an ornery little kid. And the best fictional boys come from those who were ones.
Maybe that’s why Netflix’s Stranger Things is such a success. It’s the part Alien, part Goonies brainchild of the Duffer Brothers, two grown-up sci-fi 80s nerds who recall VHS tapes, lumpy tape recorders, and big hair with fondness. Stranger Things is the perfect blend of nostalgia and creepy-crawly scares. It’s a risk-taking show whose main characters are lovable, eccentric, delightful preteen boys.
The story starts out with best friends playing Dungeons & Dragons in the basement. The control freak of the group is the generous-hearted but intuitive Mike. Dustin provides the laughs and the chocolate pudding. Lucas is the exasperated cynic, who expects the worst around every corner. And quiet, sweet Will holds them all together.
Until he goes missing on the way home. Vanishes without a trace. His frantic mother calls the local sheriff. But the boys, not content to let the cops find their friend, set out to rescue him themselves. Along the way, they stumble across “El,” a girl with strange abilities who has escaped from an experimental lab. There’s a set of adult and teen characters but the show’s heart and soul lies in its brilliant children.
The Duffer Brothers capture the joys, trials, and tribulations of boyhood in a way that captivates its audience. It gives its heroines time to shine, but the story’s strength lies around its exploration of men at all stages of life: awkward boys who aren’t sure they like girls yet, teenage males competing for girls and status, even the gruff sheriff’s need to fulfill a “dad role.” And while anyone can enjoy it, it’s got a strong attraction for boys through its story arcs, focus on its male leads, and… well, all the gross goo and monsters.
Each episode reveals the creators’ fondness for childhood, but from the nuanced perspective of adults who understand the complex relationships between friends, romantic partners, and what it’s like to “start” growing up. Despite the wild and crazy stuff that happens (from an upside-down reality full of monsters to an evil laboratory that performs experiments on kids), it feels real, because the emotions are real. The fear of a lost child. The pain of a dead child. The uncertainty of first romantic attraction. Of growing up. Not knowing what you want. Seeing your girl like someone else. It’s all there, and then some.
A lot of productions “age up” child protagonists. The tween hero of the Spook’s Apprentice books became an eighteen-year-old in the movie. It flopped. To give Susan a love interest, Disney made the ten-year-old Prince Caspian seventeen in their second Narnia adaptation. Also a bomb. Part of the power of the original stories is that they are children.
For me, that’s why Stranger Things is such a pleasure to watch—it allows its main characters, its heroes, to be little boys. These aren’t just any kids. They’re smart. Courageous. Can-do. And I like every single one.
One of the best relationships turns up in season two when Dustin finds a much-needed “big brother” in the teenage Steve. First season Steve was a jerk. Second season Steve steps in when Dustin needs a friend. Steve acts as a mentor, protector, and helps him transition into being a teenager.
Another powerful arc is El’s relationship with Hopper. She needs a dad, and he needs to heal from his daughter’s death from cancer. It echoes the relationship of parents and children everywhere—the anger, tantrums, misunderstandings, the slamming of doors, and the love.
Our world wants children to grow up fast. It exposes them to much more in the modern time than ever before, not all of it good. And it doesn’t always let little boys be little boys. Stranger Things harkens back to a more innocent time where boys rode bikes and had adventures in the woods instead of peering at cell phones. It reminds us of the joys of little boys. Their antics. Their struggles. I think Mark Twain would approve. It reminds us that little boys may not always be nice, but what a boring world it would be without them.
Stumbled across your blog, and just had to say Love this!! My sister and I just finished season 4 and are freaking out. 😉 Totally agree about letting boys just be boys. I think that is one of the show’s strong suits. We get to see these characters start off so young and see their day-to-day struggles. Steve has grown so much as a character. Honestly, he is my fav. His friendship with Dustin, and then Erica and Robin.
Hooper’s relationship with El is another emotional rollercoaster. I think so many shows out there poke fun of dads or men in general. Kids especially need a father figure in their life. ST showcases a dad who might not have all the answers, but he is doing the best he can. I really appreciate Hooper and El’s relationship.
You bring up a great point in that this show has some pretty solid “dad” type characters. Hopper, for one — having lost his daughter and finding a new one in El, a girl who needs someone to care about her. And even Steve has taken up a dad role in the lives of Dustin and his friends, as a father/older brother/mentor. I appreciate the fact that Hopper lived, because that means El isn’t without her dad — she has lost the other father figures in her life (Dr. Brenner being the “worst” one — Papa), but Hopper has come back to her. I cried, it was so meaningful to see them reunited (“I left the door open three inches!”). The characters really have grown and evolved over the course of the show — some for the better (Steve) and some for the worse (Mike).
Hooper had such a rocky start parenting El. Both of them have developed such a strong relationship. Their reunion was bittersweet. I also was tearing up. I’m curious if she always knew Hopper was possibly alive.
It kinda seemed that way. Loved that she kept the door open 3 inches! Steve for sure is filling the mentor shoes!! Then when he sacrificed swimming down into lake. I just kept saying. Awe he’s grown up. 😉 I’d also add Owens on the list. He took El under his wing and truly cared about her well-being.
It feels realistic to have some characters mature *cough Steve* and some to decline, Jonathan. Not everyone going to get a happy ending.
Can’t say I like the new love triangle going on with Steve, Nancy, & Jonathan. I feel like it’s overused. Nancy should make up her mind.
Hopper really didn’t know how to be a dad — he would get so wrapped up in protecting El, that he forgot she needs human connections (not allowing her to see her friends or leave the cabin). It’s nice to see others caring for her, now — it’s good that she had Joyce, and now she gets them both (just in time for all hell to break loose… oops).
It’ll be interesting to see if Nancy sticks with Jonathan or goes back to Steve. He has matured, while Jonathan has started wasting his life being a stoner. I would pick Steve, but… maybe he deserves better than Nancy…
Ahhh! Another favorite Argyle moment just popped into my mind, and I must mention it, “Got me stressed out and it’s not even my girlfriend.” (Or something like that.) Hahahaha – YES! I’ve been there! 😀 Just go away and calm down! 😉
(Or, wait. I meant the other Surfer Boy Pizza. Argyle’s the one from California. Duh. 🤪 Oh, well. Wherever they were when they encountered that dumb, unhelpful guy on the road. 😉)
Believe it or not, although horror is definitely not my scene, I LOVE Stranger Things! 😀 A combo of work friends’ enthusiasm (and a desire to be a part of their conversations) + Paul Reiser doin’ drama + a compelling series of online recaps intrigued me enough to give it a very cautious try when Season 2 came out. And though I was determined to basically watch only Paul Reiser, it didn’t take long before I was pulled in by the amazingly chemistry-filled cast (probably my favorite of any show ever), the nostalgia, the one-liners, the story itself (even though I don’t want to actually see every moment of it 🙈), and the genuine heart of it all. “It feels real because the emotions are real.” ❤ Absolutely! Of course, I had to go back and start at the beginning, and I’ve been a fan ever since – one who had been wishing for someone to gush about Season 4 with! 😀 (As much as I love working from home, I do miss my Stranger Things crew – which wouldn’t have been the same this year anyway, because two essential members were college students who have graduated and moved on…But now, I have you! ❤️)
For this latest season, I did my special method of binging (which includes reading all the info I can find so I know what’s coming, then watching on my phone – the smallest screen I own – prepared to skip forward when I can no longer take the creepiness) at one time over the holiday weekend, so I’m ready dish about whatever you’d like! 🙂
Also, I have to point out:
– As a 9w1, I totally agree with your typing of Argyle! 😀 While I was watching, I felt a surprising kinship with him. 🙂 I remembered you’d typed some of the characters, so I literally paused my binging (after his experience with Unnamed Hero Agent Man) to check, and was not surprised you considered him a fellow 9w1. 🙂 I love his freakouts. 😀 (I’ve had many myself that were quite similar.) That’s what happens when us 9s go without our comforts! 😉 And I LOVE the look on his face at the Surfer Boy Pizza in Cali, when the guy behind the counter is going to turn him down after he’s explained what they need so very nicely – he doesn’t know how to take it! 😀 It’s a good thing Jonathan stepped in when he did, because in my experience, Argyle’s stunned yet frustrated “non”-reaction meant a freakout was not far behind. (If I were in his shoes, that guy’s response would’ve flown all over me, too. ☺️) And I think “try before you deny” is very 9. 🙂 The only thing with him that doesn’t ring true for me is his preferred method of comfort is against the rules, which goes against the 1. But I guess, since he likes it so much, that 9 desire for comfort trumps that. And maybe he doesn’t see it as “wrong”, so it’s not a violation of his personal principles (like the unmarked grave would have been).
*Have you CALLED Surfer Boy Pizza??? If not, trust me – you must do it! 😀 If you’d like the number, I’ll give it to you. (They either say it or you can see it printed in at least one of the episodes.)*
The officer who was promoted to chief (Powell?) may be a 9 as well, especially given his it’s-so-simple emphasis on “Just stay calm.” 🙂 (I know he’s been around since the beginning, but I don’t really remember him. I’ll pay more attention to him now and see if I get the same “kindred spirit” vibe I did from Argyle. 😉)
– When it comes to the characters, I’m wholeheartedly with you. I like every single one (even the new additions – they all burrow their way into my heart), especially the core group of boys. But if I were forced to pick only one main favorite, it’s gotta be Steve. ❤ His character progression is THE BEST, and Joe Keery is SO fun to watch! Also, I don’t remember this being a thing last season (though I look forward to rewatching the whole show soon!), but I really resonated with Robin’s “unspecified developmental disability” stuff. I have (self-diagnosed) dyspraxia, and so much of her dialogue and awkwardness / clumsiness reflects my experience – which endeared her to me in an extra-special way as well. (Whether they are referring to dyspraxia or autism or whatever, of course it wouldn’t be labeled by name, because no one in the ‘80s would know what to call it!)
– And of the supporting cast, I’m partial to Dr. Owens (of course). Comedians / Comediennes and other entertainers who are just as naturally good at drama are my favorite kind of actors, and this role really gives Paul Reiser a chance to show what he can do. I love that he’s like a cuddly teddy bear with an edge – and dashes of his Aliens character thrown in. (In fact, I think this season was his Aliens moment, in a sense.) I LOVE that he’s always so calm (even when it’s taking an obvious effort), and I THINK he’s a good guy (I really want to believe he is), but I love that I’m never exactly sure where he stands. Also, I’m concerned / disappointed with where we left him. I caught his co-worker Ellen’s line that he’s “indisposed”, but that cloud mean so many things. (Or maybe it doesn’t matter, since he may not actually be as important to the show as I think he is. 😉 Still he’s important to me.) He seems to be equally motivated by (or at least in touch with) his head, heart, and gut – depending on the situation. How would you type him?
Who are your favorites?
I’m so glad WordPress has led me to a friend who appreciates Stranger Things. ❤ And I’m totally down for anything you’d like to chat about. 😀 Maybe it’ll make the interminable wait for the final season go faster. 😉
Horror isn’t really my thing either, but ST seems to be sci-fi as a “gateway” into horror, so I am cool with it. But yeah, the cast and story dynamics are pretty amazing.
Argyle is pretty funny to me. His entire desire is to be “chill” (even if that means all he does with his life is smoke weed), and his comments about Jonathan making him anxious crack me up. (He might be an SFP, as opposed to an STP, I’d have to think about it.) Powell seems like a 9, yeah. With the deputy likely being a 6.
Steve is my favorite as well, simply because he’s grown the most—from a self-absorbed doofus to having so much “daddy energy.” But I like them all. Steve and Dustin are my favorites, though.
Dr. Owens is nice… he’s the feeler next to Dr. Brenner’s thinker. “Maybe we should ask El what she wants to do…” And yeah, it’s odd that we just left him handcuffed in the bunker. Did the explosion kill him? Is he still alive? Is the military going to take him? I’d type him as an EFJ and either a 2 or a 9. He could be a 9, given how peaceful he is, and intent on making peace between other people.
I’ve seen season three several times now, and mostly what I have to say is that Eddie deserved a more heroic death, in my opinion. I think he should have either gone out playing his guitar as a distraction (maybe seeing that the bats are heading for the mansion, and choosing to bring them back with another rad tune) or by saving Dustin’s life. Having him be chased down and attacked seemed rather anti-climactic. I felt like Dr. Brenner’s death was weird as well. And I understand that Vecna needed to survive for season five, but it they should have had a good reason for Nancy not shooting him in the head. She’s smart, she would take the kill shot. I also felt like four was a bit long / drawn out, especially with El’s flashback scenes. I have a feeling I’ll be skipping big chunks of it in my future re-watches.
You know, it’s a testament to the quality of the show that we’re both so invested even though we don’t enjoy the horror / gore aspect. 🙂 There’s truly something in it for everyone. Stranger Things offers more diverse elements and balances / blends them better than any show I’ve ever seen.
That being said, I’m sure it’s difficult for you (as a writer who has experience crafting fictional worlds and getting your characters from point A to point B) to watch a show you love and be left thinking, “That could’ve gone better.” I’m not sure if the process that led to Eddie’s death seems confusing to me because I chickened out too early and missed some crucial steps or because…it actually doesn’t make sense. (I did see the most metal guitar solo ever, though! 😀) I will say I listened to his last moments with Dustin (not watched – because it was just too much), and even though I hate to say it because the actors absolutely killed it and it’s heartrending because of the love we feel for the characters, it all felt a bit heavy-handed. They really drove the point home that Eddie’s first impulse is to run and he doesn’t consider himself a hero, then those final moments were as emotionally awful as it gets. They don’t need to push that hard. I thought the scene with Dustin and Eddie’s uncle was much better. ❤ Also, there are ideas floating around that Eddie could come back to life in the Upside Down, and as interesting as they are, that hero arc was drilled in so firmly, extending Eddie’s story in any way would destroy it. 😦
To tie this in with another of your criticisms, I agree the season felt padded. Taking a step or two out of Eddie’s journey may have made his death even more impactful. (If the bats did attack Dustin in the trailer, Eddie could’ve run then – leaving Dustin screaming – then gone back, fought them off him, and turned them on himself. They still could’ve said “I love you”, just not as drawn out.) I skipped pretty much all of Alaska and Russia until they met up with Hopper because I flat got bored with it (and that’s something I’ve NEVER felt toward this show before). I missed Hop talking about his daughter and had to go back (and according to some YouTube videos, I also missed some fun stuff later on that finally provided some payoff), but the setup wasn’t interesting and took far to long for me. And in the long run, I really didn’t skip anything important, especially since we left Murray, Yuri, and Enzo without resolution, too. I also skipped most of El’s flashbacks as well and don’t feel a need to watch them. I got the gist. 😉 It does feel unfortunate that we spent SO much time and yet left a handful of characters unaccounted for, didn’t give the group any time to mourn Eddie, or like you said (and I’d never considered), put an obstacle in Nancy’s path to keep her from going for the kill. (I don’t know what it could’ve been, but it wouldn’t have taken much time…Maybe he could’ve flashed a vision in front of her that threw off her aim?) I wonder if they feel pressure to make each season “bigger and better” than the one before, and it’s starting to get out of hand?
Going back to the deaths, I saw Brenner’s, and it made sense to me. (I thought of it as the extreme version of a parent who doesn’t think their older child is capable of doing anything on their own until they actually see them do it…And someone on YouTube made the excellent point that El refusing to tell him she understood was the first command of his she didn’t ultimately follow. So it was her first true step of independence.) As much as I like Dr. Owens, my first thought was that the whole place exploded (that helicopter thing was AWESOME, by the way! 😀), which would mean that chapter of her life (the influence / interference of the government) was totally over. (And death would be Owens’ price for being involved with this mess in the first place, sort of hooking her back into it, and not really taking a stand for her until it was too late.) But the bunker was left intact and Sullivan stepped out of it just fine, so I don’t think Owens is dead. I also think, if he had died, Ellen would’ve said “dead” on the phone with the boys. (Plus, I agree with an opinion I read that SOMEONE from Hawkins has to survive to see this thing through to the end.) So, that leaves the military, like you said – but I don’t what reason they’d have for holding him anymore (unless he could be arrested for something). Or maybe “indisposed” meant too beat up to come to the phone??? 😬 The season was too long to be left with so many loose ends. 🤦🏻♀️
Speaking of Dr. Owens, I think he’s a 9, too! ❤ I got that feeling pretty early on, but thought I might be biased, so I’ve tried to consider other possibilities. I’m not nearly as experienced at this as you are, though (especially when it comes to types other than my own). I can see bits of 5 and 6, but I don’t think they’re a true match. And I don’t know much about 2s beyond the basics, so you might be able to see some important indicators I missed. But after watching all of his scenes from Season 2 on back-to-back (which doesn’t take long, since he actually isn’t in much of it), in addition to his overall “peace at all costs” vibe, here’s the 9-ness I noticed…
– He lets his worry show when he’s by himself (and he’s not having to manage himself or others to keep everything calm). In Season 2, that’s when the stress ball comes out, which may bring him comfort. (I also caught a brilliant moment during a tense conversation with a group of doctors, where he continually makes the same squeezing motion even though he’s not holding the ball.)
– Although he’s nice as he can be, he could be called dismissive or passive-aggressive (especially his sarcastic humor with Hopper in the beginning).
– In this season, when El’s being prepped to go in the tank for the last time and gets injected with whatever they pump in her, he rubs his own arm when the alcohol’s rubbed on and makes a face when that ginormous needle goes in. He’s literally feeling her pain. (And I think I only saw it because I was looking away from her since that happens to me when I watch stuff like that, too!)
– He can get quite stubborn when pushed or when he feels strongly (like refusing to consider an option that could kill Will or refusing to say anything about Eleven while his house is being ransacked or he’s being roughed up).
– And the most important one is I think the reason he comes off as potentially untrustworthy to me even now is because he straddles both “sides”, between the government and our crew, which can make him seem wishy-washy. He’ll work with whoever, but I’ve realized that to him, it’s all in the name of the common goal of saving the world. He also lets A LOT go by before making a direct stand against anyone, always trying to compromise or negotiate first.
Which brings me to a tidbit about our favorite 9 😁: when you call Surfer Boy Pizza, Argyle will answer and start to take your order, but then put you on hold to go over a previous order with someone that includes all these weird toppings (including blue cheese, which he says his “damn near mold” 😆). But, of course, he ends his spiel with “try before you deny!” ❤ 🙂 Here’s a video of it, if you don’t want to call: https://youtu.be/wFGGWOWkkOg 😀 *All the phone numbers in Stranger Things work, for a time, and contain a fun easter egg message. The first one I ever noticed was Maury’s number in Season 3, which took you to his answering machine where he tells Joyce to call back because he has information from Russia that may be about Hopper. This season, you can call Surfer Boy Pizza, Yuri, and the number from Unnamed Hero Agent man – and in Season 2, you could call Hawkins Power and Light! 😀 There are YouTube videos out there for each of these.*
I hate to be critical of the things I love (even though it comes naturally to me), but… there are things they could have done to tighten up this season. (They had a similar bloat problem with season three, to be honest… like all shows, book series, etc., they start out tight and get looser and more bloated as time goes by, because the editorial team isn’t as focused on streamlining. It’s my pet peeve.)
Fracturing all the plot lines the way they did and keeping everyone apart means that the audience is going to be more invested in one or two groups than with the rest; I never got bored with Steve, Robin, Nancy, Dustin, Eddie, etc. I did get bored with El’s plot line, some of Mike’s plot line, and some of the Russian stuff. I could see myself fast-forwarding most of the stuff in the bunker going forward, since now that I know the big reveal (Vecna’s identity), all that’s important is seeing El’s final confrontation with him / her opening up a portal into the upside-down.
There were some clunky parts, like breaking out of the prison (Hopper and Joyce) only to turn around and go back; they could have just had them wind up being trapped there and fight the demigorgons to get out. It felt like “filling time” so that they could wait and have every crisis happening at once in the finale.
Nancy could have aimed for the kill shot, and a vine wrapped around her foot or something, jerking her off balance so that she doesn’t shoot Vecna in the head. I do think they feel pressure to make things more and more epic, and for the most part, they’ve done a good job – Vecna is by far their best villain creation, and it’s astounding to look back at the earlier season and see how skillfully they have built up this world, fleshed it out, and brought it full circle. I have a feeling the last season is going to be INSANE now that the upside-down is leaking into our world.
El not comforting Dr. Brenner as he died bothered me, but that’s because I’m an idealist who believes in forgiveness – so for her to leave him there in despair and walk away just seemed cruel, even if he was an awful human being. I think Dr. Owens is meant to be dead, since the Duffer brothers mentioned six deaths in the finale – without him, there’s only five. I’m not sure we needed the government chasing them, either. But that’s an aside, lol.
9 seems to fit Dr. Owens better than anything else; he’s very much all about cooperation, allowing people to make their own decisions, and being hands-off in terms of El, unlike Brenner. (Brenner could be a 5 or a 1, honestly. I see a lot of detachment and super-ego “I am right, at all costs” happening with him.) But yeah, he’s stubborn in a 9 way too, and sort of tries to walk the middle ground. I like him, he’s a nice foil to Brenner’s sadistic absolutism.
Thanks for the link, I’ll have to try it out. It’s pretty cute that they have set up phone lines for these people!
I LOVE the “Nancy and the vine” idea. 😀 Boom. Simple. Perfect.
I’m an idealist, too – but as someone who has trouble standing up for herself, I can totally see why El would finally refuse to do this one thing, even if it’s more of a symbolic gesture at this point (just to offer a different perspective here 🙂 – I don’t think she, or the writers, meant to be cruel…Rather, I think it’s meant to be empowering – though you could argue it might’ve been even more effective if she chose to be “the bigger person”). I actually watched that scene again at some point before your most recent reply, and wondered if maybe what you found “weird” were all the artistic shots of Brenner on the ground. It was very cinematic, with all the music and everything, but almost a cringeworthy beat too long. I couldn’t help but think, “This IS weird.” ☺️ Maybe it was the show’s way of saying, “Take a good, long look. He is really, REALLY dead this time.”, but it is yet another example of something that could’ve been a bit more concise and saved a little time.
I’ve heard six deaths, I’ve heard five. But all from third-party comments – nothing directly from a news outlet or the Duffer Brothers themselves – so I’m not sure what to believe. It seems the expected body count always gets exaggerated, anyway. Although, I’d 100% believe Dr. Owens was dead – if Sullivan hadn’t stepped out of the damage-free bunker completely unscathed. Part of me wishes El had been the one and only survivor, but If the bunker’s fine and Sullivan’s alive, there’s no reason Owens shouldn’t be, too (unless Sullivan turned around and shot him before walking out…which, I mean, fine – but show me the body!). Also, it occurred to me that Paul Reiser was bumped up to a series regular (unlike the other characters left without resolution), so I think that would entitle him to an onscreen death. Regardless, I read a reminder someplace that Stinson expects El and Owens to arrive in Nellis in two hours, and in a weird way, that made me feel better. 🙂 When they don’t show and can’t be reached (in addition to that disconnected phone call), SOMEBODY’S gonna go looking for them. So, dead, alive, or Sullivan’s hostage, at least he’s not going to remained handcuffed to that pipe for all eternity. I am at peace now (pretty much). 😉
Also, yay! I typed somebody – and got the expert’s approval! 😀
And to your first point, I’ve restarted the series for the first time. I’m in episode six of season one, and I am AMAZED at how simple the show seems by comparison (and also by how little I’ve felt the need to skip – the story’s so tight, and the effects are more creative than scary…for the most part 😉). Aaaannnddd, to bring this back around to your original point, you are so right – there’s something magical about boyhood. 🙂 I think I was so taken by little El the first time around, I didn’t really pay attention to our group of little men. I forgot how adorable they all were (especially Dustin – he’s precious!) and how grown up they try to be (and are, in some ways). ❤
Oooo, also, I noticed something potentially neat! The first time El goes into the “bath”, where she listens to the Russian and first senses the demigorgan (I guess? – it growls and she runs), you can hear a clock ticking! 😀 Not chiming, just ticking. Now, do I have my details mixed up here…or could that be the very first hint of Vecna???
Also, completely random question: Do you think we’ll ever see Kali again?
Dustin has always been a standout joy to behold throughout the series — “I am on a knowledge journey and I need my paddle!” Haha. I love how they incorporated the actor’s physical problems into the role as well (his lack of collarbones and his missing front teeth). But yes, the first season is super tight and straightforward. The second is equally so, and then things get messy with season three. But it’s fun to see how far everyone has come, how all of the characters have changed (some for the better, like Hopper, and some for the worse, like Will), and how the series has gotten progressively more ‘adult’ and serious as the children have grown up.
I’ve read that the Duffer brothers are constantly messing with older episodes; so it’s possible that they put in the ticking clock as foreshadowing for season four more recently, and didn’t include it in the first release of the episodes. Apparently they were still tweaking sound design, etc., right up until the season four part two premiere.
I don’t think Kali will come back, no. I think they intended to use her, but she was not a fan favorite, everyone hated that stand-alone episode, and so they have moved on. I wouldn’t mind never seeing her again — I always skip that episode in my re-watch. 😉
I read that they’re going to “George Lucas” Will’s birthday and how they continued to tinker with this season, but it didn’t register with me that they’ve already done that before. You’re right. As a serial re-editor myself, I understand. 🙂 And really, it’s pretty cool that they have that option. They even suggested in Variety that if you want to figure out exactly what’s changed, you could buy the Blu-rays or DVDs for comparison purposes. That may have been a throwaway statement on their part, but it’s also sort of brilliant (because you know there are some people who will take it as a challenge). I bet Netflix loved that! 😀
Also, apparently Kareem Abdul-Jabar is a blogger now – and he’s got thoughts on Stranger Things. 🙂 I have a feeling you’ll agree with him (except on one point 😉): https://kareem.substack.com/p/why-the-ending-of-stranger-things
Only the first two seasons are out on disc, so… it would be a challenge for sure to contrast and compare (but I bet some nerds have illegally downloaded it, and could check their bootlegs ;). I think they stopped releasing them with plans of a mega “Complete Series” set at some point, which I am here for.
I had never heard of this guy until you linked me to him, but he’s not wrong about the finale. The note about them staring at the ground instead of the smoking sky made me laugh.
I keep wanting to start the series over, which is silly, because I just did that in May! I watched all three seasons leading up to the premiere. Get a life, Charity! Find something else to do for a while!
Kareem is an NBA legend – though I only know that because I come from a long line of basketball fans. 🙂 (And that line stopped with me. 😉)
I think it’s only natural to want to start the series over, as a way of keeping the fun going while easing into the long wait for next season. (So, if you want to, go for it! 🙂) In fact, I just finished my rewatch of Season 1. 😊 My favorite moment of the season is still Ted Wheeler so seriously asking, “What happened to her hair?” as if it’s the most relevant question in the world. 😆 (I’d also forgotten how much I adore Mr. Clark! ❤ Such an ideal teacher and all-around good guy – who elevates basically every scene he’s in by being the perfect straight man and setting up some absolute gems of moments. “Why are you keeping this curiosity door locked???” 😆) On to Season 2! 😉
I’m also still very much in the phase of taking in as much behind-the-scenes info as I can. 🙂 To that end, I listened to a long post-season interview with the Duffer Brothers and several members of the cast on Stranger Things’ YouTube channel for “Geeked Week” (I have no idea what that is 🙃) at work the other day, and something in particular made me think of you…Millie Bobby Brown and Matthew Modine were taking about their last scene together (he teared up at the memory ❤️), and regarding Eleven’s choice not to tell Papa she understood, Millie agreed with…both of us. 🙂 She said it was a moment of independence and empowerment for Eleven, but acknowledged that it was also rather cold – and noted that it was actually a very Brenner-like move, which I thought was an interesting point. 😃
Neither of my parents had any interest in sports, so I never grew up watching… anything sports-related. I wouldn’t know the name of a basketball legend if I met one. 😉
I forgot about Mr. Clark not being in season four until you mentioned it, but you’re right, I miss him and the absolute incredible levels of patience he has in dealing with the little lying freaks (calling him up on what, a Saturday night, while he’s nerding out about gum being used in a horror movie, and demanding to know how to build a saltwater tank, ahahaha).
I should hunt up more post-season four interviews and podcasts. Be curious to see what theories are going around, and what the actors have to say about it.
I hope El has nothing in common with Brenner. 😛
I’m curious to see where season five goes, and whether Max wakes up possessed or not. That would honestly be what I’d do — have her “wake up” and everyone is so happy, and she seems normal at first, but then… she isn’t. There’s something a little off about her. And we find out Vekna has infiltrated the group through her. But whatever they do, I’m sure it will be awesome!
Yes! That’s one of the exact Mr. Clark moments I had in mind! ❤ “What’s this for?” “For…fun?” “…Okay.” That simple, underplayed, still nice but slightly annoyed with a smile plastered to his face “Okay” added so much to that scene! 😀 Classic Mr. Clark. 😉
I didn’t think of him when initially watching the new season either. It makes sense that he wasn’t involved, since the boys are no longer in high school (though maybe he could’ve been Erica’s teacher? or, OH – participating in the town meeting!), but now that the Upside Down’s invading in a more direct way (which I assume will involve the whole town), maybe he can join in again next season. 🙂
You know, I’ve noticed as I’m rewatching that the show often repeats patterns and story beats, sometimes with the same characters and sometimes using different ones, just twisting them to fit the current circumstances so it’s not a direct copy and isn’t as noticeable in the moment. So, even though they’ve already done possession with Will, I could totally see them basically doing it with Max, and putting a new spin on it.
But if Will can feel Vecna, wouldn’t he know? Or, ooo…What he if does (goes to see her for the first time, immediately gets tingles on his neck), and he tries to tell everyone, but no one – or only some of them – believe him? (Like, Lucas would probably defend Max, but Mike would trust Will. He and El may not even agree.) Good way to create tension / division in the group, in addition to Vecna’s infiltration. (Actually, Vecna Max could probably have a field day with that.) 😀 I think we may have predicted / outsmarted the show! 😉
It’ll be interesting to see what they do for the final season — who they bring back, who might die, and which couples will wind up together. My only real hope is that they redeem Mike. He was a super likable character in the first season — considerate and looking after everyone, and ever since, he’s become self-absorbed and inconsiderate, oblivious to other people’s needs and feelings. I want the old Mike back…
I just finished my rewatch of Season 2 (it took a little longer to get through this one because I interrupted it with another show), and I’m aware this is an unpopular opinion, but…It’s officially my favorite season! 😃 The introduction of Dr. Owens and precious Bob with his brain teasers ❤ (Side note: I ADORE Bob. Of all the lovable one-season characters that steal our hearts just to die and rip them to pieces, he’s by far my favorite – and his death, though probably the easiest to see coming, hits me hardest because I love him so much…I think he may be a Type 2.), the beginnings of “babysitter” Steve & Dustin ❤️ and El & Hop ❤️❤️ AND Joyce & Hop ❤️❤️❤️, the whole “Who can you trust?” vibe, breaking out of the lab (my favorite “high stakes” sequence, because I find it more exciting than weird or scary – particularly Dr. Owens guiding Bob THROUGH the lab, though I’ve yet to watch all of the end result 😝), trick-or-treating, and The Snow Ball! 😃 Nothing. Beats. The. Snow. Ball! ❤ That whole epilogue is simply perfection. 🥰 Season 1 is the freshest, of course – and 2 wouldn’t exist without 1 – but Season 2 is the richest. Possibly the best follow-up season of any show ever. 🌟
Even “The Lost Sister” wasn’t really awful like I remember. In fact, I dare say I enjoyed it this time. 😲 (I’m as shocked as you are. 😉) When I watched it the first time, I was just anxious to go back to the main story since I didn’t know what was going to happen, so it felt really jarring and interminably long. (I remember I skipped quite a bit of it.) Plus, the whole gang and their masks disturbed me, and with the whole season having that “Who can you trust?” vibe, I kept waiting for them to turn on poor El and for something terrible to happen to her, so that kept me anxious. Then, when nothing obviously consequential happened, I was like, “What even was the point of that???” It felt like you could remove it from the series and it wouldn’t make a difference. So, I get why it received the poor reception it did.
But, on a second viewing, I understand why it was included. Life with Hopper was more difficult than El may have imagined. (She may have even wondered if she could trust him, in keeping with the theme…or if he was just as bad as Papa.) She hadn’t found where she fit in yet, so she had to go searching all avenues for “home”, and it makes sense that search would include the possibility of living the vigilante life with another experiment. But by the end of her solo adventure, she realized her place was with Hopper, Mike, and the gang in Hawkins – she fit there, and loved them, and wanted to go back. If she’d never taken that journey, the questions of “What about Aunt Becky and Mama?” and “What about the other experiments?” would still be left hanging. Though I wonder if maybe we’re not done with Mama.
Other random thoughts:
– My favorite funny moment once again goes to Ted Wheeler. His exchange with Dustin about the busy signal. “Your line has been busy for…(however long). Are you aware of this?” “Ohhh, I’m aware.” 😆 He and Dustin must have one priceless exchange every season. They did in 1 and 2 and 4 (“Sure. Take us for everything we got.” “…Okay. 😁”) I don’t remember what gem awaits in Season 3, so I guess I’ll be surprised. 😀 I’m sure Ted isn’t anyone’s favorite character – but his actor doesn’t get enough credit. 🌟
– Though my favorite line of the season is probably “Say that to me again.” 😁❤️ (And I know I’ve already gushed about the character and the actor, but the Paul Reiser as Dr. Owens is my favorite bit of casting on the whole darn show, given his Aliens connection. Such a brilliant move.)
– I LOVE to watch Steve flip / swing that spiky bat! 😍
– I wish I’d done a rewatch BEFORE Season 4, because Max’s storyline would’ve impacted me so much more. I totally forgot that she has always been a bad a**! 😃 “I told you. Zoomer.” Iconic. 🤩
To speak to your last comment, Mike was still a considerate sweetie in Season 2, being VERY loyal to both El and Will. ❤ I guess the argument could be made that puberty fried his brain by Season 3 (which happens), but I want the old Mike back, too. ☹️
I actually already started Season 3 before I had a chance to comment, and for the first time, the change in Hopper was really jarring to me, and I can see what so many people were upset about. I don’t think he’s been the same since Season 2 either, and I want the old Hop back. ☹️ Although, I went back and rewatched The Snowball epilogue then started Season 3 over again just today (because I felt disconnected from it since I’ve watched it in such interrupted pieces lately), and I think I can see a link in the progression. It was already stressing Hopper out to hide El out at his cabin, and his automatic response when Dr. Owens advises him to give it another year was to take a huge, exaggerated bite of his sandwich. Fast forward to Season 3, and you’ve got full blown overreactive, chain-smoking, “dad bod” Hopper. I think we’re seeing Hopper buried under prolonged, extreme stress by that point, and El blossoming into a young lady in her first “grown-up” relationship, a phase he never got to experience when parenting Sarah, only makes things worse. (And he takes it out on Joyce – as well as El and Mike, but mostly Joyce – which stands to reason as well, unfortunately, because people generally tend to take out their stress on those they love most and feel safest / most comfortable around.) Then, by the time we see him in Season 4, we’re dealing with down and depressed Hopper. Given the circumstances, we just haven’t had the chance to see healthy, progressing Hopper again.
Though it’s not as clearly written, I think the same may be true of Mike. Puberty is rough stuff, and some boys do tend to become jerks. Maybe he just hasn’t had the chance to mature out of it yet. Next season may be a time of reckoning for that, given the dire circumstances. It’ll be a good opportunity for him to either grow the heck up…or spiral even further.
On with Season 3! 😁
You would have loved hanging out with my family when we were all growing up. I have four brothers, and they be WILDIN 😉
I’m sure I would have enjoyed them!
Wonderful take on the ‘boys’! I appreciate your focus on this particular theme of the show, and I love how you weave in Mark Twain and The Goonies. Have you watched the whole series?
I have indeed. Been thinking about how brilliant the use of music was this season, weaving Running up that Hill and giving the song new meaning for a new generation, since we will now associate it with one of the most emotional scenes in the series. Terrific season four! You?